Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (Bookhoard) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:01:33 GMT

I agree with that, too.

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (RN Lee) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:07:18 GMT

TMWright wrote:
There's a hell of a lot more to good parenting than spanking (or not spanking).

Agreed. Mostly, it's just about having your whole heart in it, like anything else.

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (dogpoet) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:56:08 GMT

Yep, and no bugger can be bothered with a lot of it. That's the main reason you get all of these uncontrollable underaged twats running about in the first place, isn't it?

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (TMWright) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:54:33 GMT

There's a hell of a lot more to good parenting than spanking (or not spanking).

T.M.

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (NickYak) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:28:22 GMT

The book has as a premise the idea that a child can be born bad.

BORN BAD by Barry Hoffman is a GREAT, underrated novel with this theme, too.

RN: That's cool about your kids---my friend John didn't spank his 3 kids either and they all turned out GREAT---I guess it really depends on a lot of factors. My brother and his wife don't spank and my nephew is a terror and a half, so go figure. He's 4 now and keeps getting worse, but I...

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (dogpoet) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:27:11 GMT

Maybe you should set up a board of self righteous busybodies to track them down?

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (Bookhoard) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:25:18 GMT

You can hate the sentiment or laugh at it or whatever, but you can't dismiss it, because the plain fact is that we are surrounded by people who consider themselves watchdogs at all times making sure nobody gets too high and silly, because it's an affront to life itself.

Similar shit drives these gay marriage battles, IMO. I don't know how we become a nation less riddled with killjoys and snitches whose greatest concern is what the people next...

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (Bookhoard) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:20:45 GMT

I want a swimming pool sized nanoforge, Existenz, and pizza. And an olive grove full of creepy statues and everything from Lovecraft, only friendly and pettable.

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (RN Lee) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:20:37 GMT

Bookhoard wrote:
Besides, if recreational drugs are decriminalized, you'll have corporations working to make them safer and less addictive. But that would make sense, so it'll never happen. Instead we'll lose in Afghanistan and will end up having to occupy Mexico.

Well, no, this makes sense, but from only one perspective: an essentially Puritan loathing of frivolity and anything that distracts...

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (RN Lee) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:12:48 GMT

dogpoet wrote:
They could have the churches give away free rubbers to teenagers after Sunday school as well...

You know what I want? A creek flowing with beer in my back yard and a tree that grows empanadas. That's all I ask.

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (Bookhoard) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:10:12 GMT

Besides, if recreational drugs are decriminalized, you'll have corporations working to make them safer and less addictive. But that would make sense, so it'll never happen. Instead we'll lose in Afghanistan and will end up having to occupy Mexico.

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (dogpoet) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:08:31 GMT

They could have the churches give away free rubbers to teenagers after Sunday school as well...

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (RN Lee) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:01:46 GMT

Bookhoard wrote:

So it has dropped off since 1990, but only at an extreme cost: we now have the highest incarceration rate in the world, bar none, and it's only getting higher. Some of this is indeed due to drug prohibition, however.

It's difficult to implement, I realize, because our country's so invested in a stupid story about why we've got to be doing...

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (Bookhoard) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:48:44 GMT

Oh, and: you and I both know that late inflated crime and especially incarceration rates are all about the War on Some Drugs, and we could bring those numbers right back down by ending that crap.

Oh, definitely. I read the other day that we're sending eight or so DEA agents to Afghanistan now, so that we can be just as successful there as we've been here. Wonderful, huh? And let's just ignore Mexico burning at our feet.

About the crime...

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (RN Lee) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:58:14 GMT

Well, see, here's my life, and it doesn't line up with your account:

First off, I know and have always known plenty of teens who hunt. That hasn't stopped because you're no longer allowed to stick your gun in your truck and take it to school with you, most places these days. My kids' friends next door hunt and their parents do target shooting on the property, for god's sake. The kids just don't take their rifles to school.

I don't remember...

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (Bookhoard) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:25:46 GMT

Bookhoard wrote:
And nevermind parents beating the Devil out of their kids -- in the good old days, any parent in the neighborhood could do it, and when the kid got home he'd probably get a second whoppin'!

Yeah, I remember that. Not quite as gleefully as you do, apparently....

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (RN Lee) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:16:06 GMT

TMWright wrote:
Shocklines wrote:

You never know the circumstances in cases like this. You don't know how much of this was learned by how the parents treat each other, etc. This may not be a case of the good parents who are stuck with a rotten teen.

I agree completely.

T.M.

In my experience, anyway, the whole "Bad Seed" thing is a...

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (TMWright) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:58:21 GMT

Shocklines wrote:

You never know the circumstances in cases like this. You don't know how much of this was learned by how the parents treat each other, etc. This may not be a case of the good parents who are stuck with a rotten teen.

I agree completely.

T.M.

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (RN Lee) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:27:52 GMT

Bookhoard wrote:
We have to be taught to be civilized, and a lot of kids these days aren't being taught that. They do what they want at home, they do whatever they want at school, until they get sent to prison -- and they do pretty much whatever they want in there, too! So it's no wonder they get sent back after they get out. It's crazy. Most of this would be prevented if you just let parents do their jobs....

Re: Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (Karen Koehler) — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:23:16 GMT

Lisa Morton wrote:
Heck, my mom chewed me out last week for the language I used in a short story!

Yeah, my mom bitched me out last week about burning a pot of stew.

Warning Old Man Rant: When I was a teenager this wouldn't have flown

feeds@yuku.com (fuegoman2001) — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:48:02 GMT

I was at Target this weekend when I came across a father and son, the boy was about 16 or 17. His father was talking to him and he just looked annoyed and would turn his back and walk away while his father was in mid-sentence or snap at him. A little while later I run across them again this time the kid is on the phone and I hear him before I see him. The kid is loud and using profanity while his father asks over and over who he's talking to, practically pleading. The kid finally shouts...