Is Dada the most important art movement ever?

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feeds@yuku.com (Nemonymous) — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:38:45 GMT

I thought this would be relevant to this thread:

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feeds@yuku.com (RN Lee) — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:42:37 GMT

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feeds@yuku.com (Weirdmonger) — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:53:50 GMT

I've just found this dada poem generator:
http://www.poemofquotes.com/tools/dada.php

And having written this today on my blog:

Today I re-walked the steps of the child that was me. I returned for the first time to my route to school - a pavement where I once childishly dodged stepping on the pavement cracks for fear of death. Now I am 60, I am suddenly...

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feeds@yuku.com (davidusmontoyacus) — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:21:46 GMT

I don't have an answer to the original question posed, but I would argue this is one of the most important threads. I've learned much. Thankee kindly posters.

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feeds@yuku.com (lokilokust) — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:07:56 GMT

i can't say that there was any one most important artistic movement.
but i have always enjoyed dada.

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feeds@yuku.com (Weirdmonger) — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:57:06 GMT

Just realised that the above is almost like a cone!

Which prompts me to announce for the first time - here on the Dada thread - that I have chosen the stories (and notifed their authors) that are to be published in the CONE ZERO book.
des

PS: Here is a spam love scene:

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feeds@yuku.com (Weirdmonger) — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:20:34 GMT

Some additional points on DADA as connected with the Horror Genre on this thread:
http://www.ligotti.net/showthread.php?t=1611

Re: Is Dada the most important art movement ever?

feeds@yuku.com (Weirdmonger) — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:22:44 GMT

HuwL wrote:
It seems quite obvious that it's a painting, to me, at least. Look at the texture on the woman's face, and her clothes...

As you say, I don't think there is much doubt that it was painted.
It is the circumstances of the painting that *may* make it interesting. From photo, from life, from imagination?
Intentional Fallacy however should disallow us making those...

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feeds@yuku.com (Weirdmonger) — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:20:29 GMT

I too have a catholic taste in art (including music) and that also means contemporary art. Often to be left cold is a useful yardstick emotion to weigh against other emotions derived from art. But most art fails to leaves me cold, as I understand that phrase.
des

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feeds@yuku.com (HuwL) — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:16:19 GMT

It seems quite obvious that it's a painting, to me, at least. Look at the texture on the woman's face, and her clothes...

I like most kinds of art, but for me it's not the style, but the degree to which an artist's work affects me. My favourite artists are people like Remedios Varo, Odilon Redon, Gustave Moreau, Paul Klee, Franz Marc, William Blake, Max Ernst, Durer, Gustave Dore, Daumier, Matisse, Van Gogh, Chagall, Beardsley, Man Ray... lots of different styles,...

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feeds@yuku.com (Weirdmonger) — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:06:14 GMT

As I understand it from Mike's post, that image has indeed been painted. If it was painted from the imagination* - then it's traditional art, I'd say. If it was a direct meticulously painted copy of a real photo - then it is arguably pointless and therefore an example of Dada. (*All* Dada is not pointless, but Dada certainly caters for pointlessness amongst its traditions).

BTW, my quote from Hugo Ball in 1916 above seems very relvant to our Horror Genre, doesn't...

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feeds@yuku.com (Lawrence Dagstine) — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:17:12 GMT

Mike Philbin wrote:
actually, the most important art form ever is from the 1960's and its name is Photorealism:

I know this image could be done as a photo-blow-up but it's the fact that someone*s gone out and painted (with his own hands) this 80...

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feeds@yuku.com (Weirdmonger) — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:36:05 GMT

The Dadaist loves the extraordinary, the absurd, even. He knows that life asserts itself in contradictions, and that his age, more than any preceding it, aims at the destruction of all generous impulses. Every kind of mask is therefore welcome to him, every play at hide and seek in which there is an inherent power of deception. The direct and the primitive appear to him in the midst of this huge anti-nature, as being the supernatural itself.
--Hugo Ball, 'Dada Fragments' (1916)...

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feeds@yuku.com (Weirdmonger) — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:47:18 GMT

rileybooks wrote:
Some of the best horror correlates to me with Impressionism. Ramsey Campbell's writing often puts me in mind of this. It is filled with a warped, subjective reality.

I can see what you mean by that, David, and I agree. While Abstract Art takes Horror a stage further into deeper areas of 'warpedness', Dada Art takes it into gross areas of realism. They all have their...

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feeds@yuku.com (rileybooks) — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:06:08 GMT

Going back to your original statement:

Dada - if you read the manifestos from the early 20th century - seems to be the the most comfortable home for the Horror Arts. In that death and its causes or repercussions can be embroidered at will with no fear of comeback.

Some of the best horror correlates to me with Impressionism. Ramsey Campbell's writing often puts me in mind of this. It is filled with a warped, subjective reality.

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feeds@yuku.com (Weirdmonger) — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:36:32 GMT

dada is not abstract art, but realism taken to extremes.
However, despite what I say here about the rocking-horse of dada, I often enjoy abstract art as it does not hold you hidebound to one particular view of the universe. I am a dadaist by not really liking dada when I say I do!

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feeds@yuku.com (rileybooks) — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:28:06 GMT

For once, Mike, I can agree with you to a degree. I like realism in art, whether it's photorealism, the realism attempted by old Dutch masters, the sensory realism of impressionism, or the surrealism of Dali. Abstract art, in all its various forms, is something, on the other hand, I abhor.

David

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feeds@yuku.com (Mike Philbin) — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:23:57 GMT

actually, the most important art form ever is from the 1960's and its name is Photorealism:

I know this image could be done as a photo-blow-up but it's the fact that someone*s gone out and painted (with his own hands) this 80 inch by 130 inch oil on canvas. Crazy, but you gotta love crazy.

*the artist...

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feeds@yuku.com (Weirdmonger) — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:15:02 GMT
Dada was a rocking-horse.

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feeds@yuku.com (marksamuels) — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:12:04 GMT
My Dada left my Mama when I was only five years old. Life's tough, but it's worth it.

Mark S.

Is Dada the most important art movement ever?

feeds@yuku.com (Weirdmonger) — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:21:39 GMT
Dada - if you read the manifestos from the early 20th century - seems to be the the most comfortable home for the Horror Arts. In that death and its causes or repercussions can be embroidered at will with no fear of comeback. But a fear that is real inasmuch as literature or art is real. The only way. Otherwise, it is Nothing. Zero.

"Death is a thoroughly Dadaist business, in that it signifies nothing at all." -...