Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (HankTheHorrible) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:45:15 GMT

Okay, it's just what I thought. I gave you a chance to prove me wrong, I answered your question against my better judgment, and all I get is more of the same. There's only one reason for you to try to hide where you're going. And this isn't supposed to be "about me." Walk me through it? I don't know who you think you are, but I'm not playing. Suffice to say, I know enough about positive and negative reinforcement to know that continuing to let you think...

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (BryonMorrigan) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:33:40 GMT

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Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (Holden Pike) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:35:39 GMT

Shit I needed to be a poli-sci major in college to have a superior understanding of politics?

fuck.

And here my experience with most poli-sci majors where either dope smoking idiots that couldn't hack a sociology major or mouth breathing ignorant jocks that couldn't hack any other major.

And here I am corrected that a poli-sci major gives those a superior understanding of politics.

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (Qusoor) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:30:09 GMT

HankTheHorrible wrote:
Sigh.

After the way you started out, how could I refuse such a gracious offer? And if you weren't trying to bait me, you would just make your damn point.

My background in anthropology? I fail to see the relevance, because this is not an anthropological issue, except to the extent that practically every societal event, trend or occurrence is. I have as much background in...

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (HankTheHorrible) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:17:56 GMT

Sigh.

After the way you started out, how could I refuse such a gracious offer? And if you weren't trying to bait me, you would just make your damn point.

My background in anthropology? I fail to see the relevance, because this is not an anthropological issue, except to the extent that practically every societal event, trend or occurrence is. I have as much background in anthropology as most posters on this board have in political science. I majored in political...

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (Qusoor) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:55:16 GMT

HankTheHorrible wrote:
You can see why I "consider a request to be polite to be condescending," huh? Gee, Teach, can you learn me to write that way, too? Assuming you actually mean that you can see why I'd consider a polite request to be condescending, it wasn't polite and it wasn't even posed as a request. First, you say "you don't have the necessary background in sociology or anthropology to...

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (HankTheHorrible) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:45:07 GMT

Qusoor wrote:

HankTheHorrible wrote:
And Qusor, sorry, not interested in being led through anything by you. I told you if you had a point, just go ahead and make it. You can command "jump!" all you want. Don't hold your breath waiting for me to ask, "How high?" I suppose this is why the moron--er, I mean ... ignore button exists....

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (kpaffenroth) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:39:19 GMT

"Something about a splinter and a beam comes to mind, Kim."

Yes, Hank, I know that in your mind, the person arguing with you will always be the bad guy, will always be the only one with a problem, will always be the only one who needs to change. Fine. You keep holding that presupposition in your mind, that the other person is always wrong, and have fun. I'd say I was going to use the ignore button, the way you've indicated you're going to, but I think I may...

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (Qusoor) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:27:33 GMT

HankTheHorrible wrote:
And Qusor, sorry, not interested in being led through anything by you. I told you if you had a point, just go ahead and make it. You can command "jump!" all you want. Don't hold your breath waiting for me to ask, "How high?" I suppose this is why the moron--er, I mean ... ignore button exists.

I can see why you consider a request to be polite to be condescending....

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (HankTheHorrible) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:24:05 GMT

Something about a splinter and a beam comes to mind, Kim.

I think what it actually comes down to is this--a large percentage of people think snipes or insults or snarky comments are okay if the receiving party or idea being mocked "deserves it," and are much more likely to take notice and offense when the barbs fly the other way. And, of course, whether a party or idea is worthy of contempt or insult in a political thread is usually a matter of parallax. I don't know a...

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (dogpoet) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:22:24 GMT

I remember one definition of a libertarian being "somebody who can read a book by Ayn Rand and take it seriously, rather than pissing themselves laughing".

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (Ron Dickie) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:12:43 GMT

I always suspected you and your Jacobitian ways!

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (Holden Pike) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:11:09 GMT

Ron Dickie wrote:

I've scored libertarian on every political test I've ever taken.
Wait. You guys have to take tests to determine your political leanings? Does that take a lot of studying?

In Canada, we just vote for whichever candidate seems the least assholish.

I tested out as a Neo-Whig. And Jacobite.

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (Ron Dickie) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:04:55 GMT

I've scored libertarian on every political test I've ever taken.

Wait. You guys have to take tests to determine your political leanings? Does that take a lot of studying?

In Canada, we just vote for whichever candidate seems the least assholish.

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (Qusoor) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:47:35 GMT

HankTheHorrible wrote:
Qusor, if you have a point relevant to the (original) topic of the thread, such as past violence being a negative reinforcer for book publishers or western responses to it being a positive reinforcer for Islamic radicals, why don't you just make it? You're not my teacher, I'm not your student, and it's not your place to task me to explain my understanding of a subject like I'm sitting...

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (BileDragon) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:21:24 GMT

Libertarianism is definitely right-wing, since almost all libertarians call for extreme reductions in taxation and government spending, and for a particularly minimal role for the federal government.

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (BryonMorrigan) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:13:19 GMT

Libertarianism is often thought of as "right-wing" doctrine. This, however, is mistaken for at least two reasons. First, on social-rather than economic-issues, libertarianism tends to be "left-wing". It opposes laws that restrict consensual and private sexual relationships between adults (e.g., gay sex, non-marital sex, and deviant sex), laws that restrict drug use, laws that impose religious views or practices on...

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (kpaffenroth) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:10:24 GMT

Well, Hank, I could be like Kramer on the Seinfeld episode when he's accused of traumatizing the monkey in the zoo by throwing its own poo back at it, and his only defense is "He started it!" But really, do we need to descend to that?

Yes, Hank, when I do it, it's parody. I would also call it parody when you do it, except you do in EVERY ARGUMENT EVER. It's like a verbal tic. And I get the impression (yes, unprovable, I know) that at some level you MEAN IT in a...

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (HankTheHorrible) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:55:25 GMT

Okay, Kim, so when you do it, it's "parody." When I do it, I'm being "dismissive" or "cherishing insult." Check. This is so informative!

Hurt? That, uh, wouldn't be the word I use to describe it. More like, incredulously amused. Usually more incredulous than amused.

I am libertarian, Holden. I've scored libertarian on every political test I've ever taken. Well over a third of the Republican party is of the libertarian wing....

Re: Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (kpaffenroth) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:08:41 GMT

Holden Pike wrote:

HankTheHorrible wrote:
I know that rudeness on this board directed at conservatives is cheered and applauded by many, while responses in kind result in howls of protest.

Your post was polite? That was a slathering of honey? See, I've just got so much to learn.

Wait I thought you said you were a...

Random House pulls novel due to fear of Christian violence

feeds@yuku.com (HankTheHorrible) — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:29:36 GMT

Okay, so maybe I'm rewriting the headline just a tad to make it more acceptable to some

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN0736008820080807?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0