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njhorror wrote:

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He was a piece of Americana, and lived his version of the American Dream, for better or for worse.

Absolutely!

As someone once said about Michael Jackson:

Where else but in American can you be born as a poor Black child in Detroit...
And grow up to be a rich White woman in Beverly Hills?

Yes, he was the TRUE embodiment of the American Dream.

Now, having read the entire thread, I'm rather short of breath.

I'm even sorrier that I won't be at Necon this year. No, it's not because I wanna see "Kenwood" and Haringa go at it with chainsaws. It's because if Kenwood (whoever he is!) REALLY believes what he wrote, well then, to paraphrase Jack Nicholson as The Joker: Wait 'till he gets a load of ME!

How many of you would PAY to see THAT meeting, eh? <g>

Back to La Jackson, for a minute. Yes, it's true he revolutionized music and donated to charity etc. And he was probably a victim of some kind of arrested emotional development and may have, for all intents and purposes, been mentally and emotionally a child.

However, he screwed a LOT of people and caused HUGE amounts of financial hardship by behaving like a spoiled, entitled brat with NO thought to the consequences of his actions on others. Yes, there were some who "took" advantage of his celebrity (or tried to). But, some of the unpaid bills he left with shopkeepers, employees who worked at "menial" labor jobs who weren't paid (or whose pay was delayed), the general way he seemed to have treated people who were not his "equals" is, I find, kind of pathetic and disgusting. And, as I understand it, even in bankruptcy, he didn't stop spending on luxuries.

So, as far as I'm concerned, I'll feel bad that the "artist" is gone. But, I won't shed any tears over the loss of the man himself.

I don't think I shall reply to Kenwood any longer.
The whole P.O.V. is just...I don't know....Paleolithic? (I was going to say Neandrethal but I was uncertain if it's spelled NeandrAthal or NeandrEthal or some other way entirely. If anyone knows offhand, please feel free to correct.)
In any case, it just makes me cringe and cringing causes unattractive wrinkles which I would prefer to avoid.

But Lawrence! My dear boy!!!
I just want to say that contrary to the opinion of practically everyone else on here, I simply ADORE your creative use of the word "doink"! Perhaps the context may have been rather implusive and just a tad crass or insensitive as Vince pointed out, but the USE of the word AT ALL is brilliant, just brilliant! In fact, I daresay I had not even THOUGHT of the word "doink" in about 30 years, much less used it in a coherent sentence.

It tickled me so damned much that I fully intended to pepper my conversations with it for at LEAST the next several weeks -- or until I get tired of using it.

And, as for YOU Vince....shame on you for criticising!! We must EMBRACE these unique little gems of vocabulary. In fact, I shall be massively displeased with you should you FAIL to use the word "doink" at LEAST thrice in every communication between us for the next month or two. You WILL, however, get credit for TWO written "doinks" for every jpg "doink" that you send me. You will receive credit for THREE WHOLE "DOINKS" (!!!!!) should the pictoral "doink" be attached to somone hunky with whom I want to have sex.

And, as for the REST of you, who persist in engaging in these tawdry, TAWDRY battles of word and wit, of liberal versus conservative, of open minds against closed ones, or urban erudition against primitive troglodytism, just remember this and be VERY afraid.....

When I am Queen of the Universe, NONE of this will matter!