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RyanCThomas |
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$4.00 - 4.05 in north San Diego
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Graveside Tales |
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Oil can only go so high before it has to come down. There is no real way for it to support itself. If the government would go tell the environMENTALISTS to go
screw themselves and do away with the drilling bans we wouldn't have to rely on other nations. Back in 1985 we were producing 9 million barrels of oil a
day and now 23 years late we only produce 3.5 million barrels a day buy another 2 million on the open market. Something is really wrong with this picture.
~Dale |
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Hank Schwaeble |
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Bryon--If everyone wanted to buy those electric cars, why did state governments have to offer HUGE financial incentives to get them sold, and even then find
they were an abysmal flop? They simply didn't appeal to enough people. Governments don't have to subsidize things that there is a ready market for.
The idea that car manufacturers want cars that require lots of maintenance defies logic. First of all, new cars have warranties. The cost of the maintenance doesn't help manufacturers one bit. And manufacturers simply don't make much money off of maintenance requirements of old cars. Second of all, the market isn't stupid. It doesn't reward manufacturers who make cars that break down over manufacturers who makes cars that don't. Consumers value quality and reliability. If markets worked the way you imply, capitalism would have failed many decades ago. And I don't understand how "requiring the most fuel" fits into even that indictment. How do car manufacturers benefit by selling cars that require more fuel? People don't say, "Hey! This one burns a TON of gas! I want it!" Yes, people are suddenly wanting older cars because of the price of gas. Older cars weren't subjected to the same stringent emissions requirements, so the designs were different. Plus, the cost of gas was low until recently, so fuel efficiency wasn't a major market concern. But then two things happened: one, government regulations basically put a stop to the construction of any new refineries to meet growing fuel demands, and two, China's economy began expanding rapidly, greatly increasing demand for oil on the international market. Now that the cost of gasoline has risen, the market will address it and individual people will make individual buying decisions based on trade-offs decided by them, not by the government. |
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MariAdkins |
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iirc, the tax here in the US is only 50%...Jeeze
Mari's Midnight
Garden - Apex Book
Company
I don't own a cell phone or a pager. I just hang around everyone I know, all the time. If someone wants to get a hold of me they just say "Mitch," and I say "What?" and turn my head slightly. - Mitch Hedberg
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iamacanadian |
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nebuly wrote: Indeed, even Kamloops 55 miles away from you doesn't even have much of a transit system as I recall. I consider us damned lucky to have a bus route at the end of the block that takes us to a Rapid Transit station in five minutes or so and then I'm downtown well under a half-hour later. If, however, I want to get anywhere other than downtown or along the Rapid transit Line, then I need to allow a good 45-60 minutes for anywhere in the 'busy' part of Vancouver. Where the insane amount of the price/litre taxing goes is beyond my guess, but I know it ain't going into
bus fleet purchasing around this area, or in the Caribou where it might help you.
Gord-o! That's your foot you're shooting there, you know… Ian Alexander Martin;
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ElizBlue |
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Today I paid $3.35 at Kroger. I get 10 cents a gallon off with my Kroger card.I love the Kroger gas station for that reason!! The one near me is $3.59 (regular price) last time I looked. Which was this afternoon. |
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nebuly |
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I've never had to take a bus in Kamloops - we always have a car when we're there - but I gather the service isn't brilliant.
I suspect a lot of the gas taxes in the Lower Mainland are going for SkyTrain expansion, which is great if you live near a SkyTrain line, or near where they're going to build new lines. Anyone further away than Port Coquitlam, though, isn't going to benefit from this at all; instead we get to see our tax dollars pumped into the Lower Mainland's infrastructure, while the roads around us deteriorate every day and public transit goes from bad to worse. Mind you, people are still a tad bitter around here about the Coquihalla Highway, linking the Lower Mainland with the interior; construction was rushed so the highway would be ready in time for Expo '86, and tolls were installed 'temporarily' to pay for the fast-tracking, with assurances the tolls would be removed when the highway was paid for. Well, it's been fully paid for for some time now, but the tolls are still there 22 years later. Guess it's hard for the government to give up a cash cow. Doesn't bother me; it's faster and easier for us to take the Trans-Canada through the Fraser Canyon, and it's free. Nicer scenery, too. |
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Lisa Morton |
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"People pay 3x as much per gallon on bottled water"
Wow...where are you buying your bottled water?! I'm paying about $1.50 per gallon for my bottled water, and that includes delivery and taxes. I paid $3.89 for gas in L.A. today. |
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cussedness |
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It was $3.56 a gallon here a few days ago.
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mttyree |
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$3.something here, I never look. We're getting our gas tanks drilled for this price--just take the whole damn thing, assholes. Think if they lived in the
UK or Canada ! Big babies ! Take a bus !
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Bev Vincent |
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$3.49 this morning. |
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michellependergrass |
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Y'know what I find amazing--since we're mentioning the Mercedes--is that Mercedes produces Freightliner trucks (the semi) and those trucks will run for
at least a million miles, many of them more. So, I'm thinking it's not just the fuel industry that wants us to believe certain misconceptions. If these
companies can make an engine for a semi that will live that long, why are our cars "junk" and worthless after 100,000 miles?
Imagine the money we'd save as consumers if we only had to buy one car in our lifetime. And imagine if that car was a hybrid or better, one that ran on something other than fossil fuel. Yeah. There'd be a lot of broke suits out there and frankly I don't know how we're going to shift the paradigm.
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MariAdkins |
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nebuly wrote: Which as you said works only if the public transit is available in the first place. We have buses here in Lexington, KY. But our bus system is a major joke. I will give them credit in trying to improve it over the last couple of years, but it's still a joke. Between 6m and 6pm, the buses run every half hour, dropping back to every hour thereafter (and on limited runs/routes) - they run only every two hours on weekends (also on limited routes) - and service stops around 11pm (8pm on Sunday, iirc), so if you work 2nd or 3rd shift, it's impossible to use the bus. Our buses work if you live on a major thoroughfare and need to go downtown. But that's about it.
Mari's Midnight
Garden - Apex Book
Company
I don't own a cell phone or a pager. I just hang around everyone I know, all the time. If someone wants to get a hold of me they just say "Mitch," and I say "What?" and turn my head slightly. - Mitch Hedberg
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MariAdkins |
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michellependergrass wrote:
And freight trains. If CSX can build an engine that can pull 400 tons of freight on one gallon of gas - why can't my car run that far on a gallon of gas?
Mari's Midnight
Garden - Apex Book
Company
I don't own a cell phone or a pager. I just hang around everyone I know, all the time. If someone wants to get a hold of me they just say "Mitch," and I say "What?" and turn my head slightly. - Mitch Hedberg
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nkalanta |
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It was $3.57 here this morning - up 0.02 from yesterday. Exxon-Mobil posted a smaller profit this past quarter - only $10.89 billion. |
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Hank Schwaeble |
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Those are highway miles, put on over the course of just a few years of long treks, and those engines are much larger, much more powerful, and they aren't
cheap. New Freightliner cabs can run over $130,000.
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michellependergrass |
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Hank Schwaeble wrote: I used to own one in the '90's. I know they're bigger, more powerful, and not cheap BUT...cars are not cheap either. And if Mercedes has the
ability to put out this engine that can run a million miles hauling 40,000lbs+ they should be able to make a nice car engine that runs for a long time.
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Hank Schwaeble |
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Well, I'm sure they could. It would just cost so much few people would buy them.
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michellependergrass |
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Hank Schwaeble wrote:Yeah, because they're in a mindset that cars are disposable and should be traded every two years. If we switched our mentality and thought of a car as we do our house, it wouldn't seem so bad to have to pay that price. (Of course, that's assuming that the car is built the way we're talking) And I'm just dreaming, but it just seems to make more sense to have something that will last rather than something that's disposable.
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Hank Schwaeble |
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That's mostly because cars are depreciating assets, plus they are always at risk on the road (imagine the insurance costs of a car like that). I'm not
sure if you could make them well enough to not be a depreciating asset, because they sustain a lot of wear and tear through use no matter how well they're
built.
It would be cool if you could have some super-durable chassis that lasted for decades, and every so often replace the body as a part of an affordable upgrade. Alas, that's just the stuff of fiction. |
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