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It's funny because the housing market in Iraq is now booming according to the news tonight, and in America people now live without electricity. The
politicians as an entire group will do nothing to help us. They argue and do nothing. The suffering is just beginning. Necessary services like fire, police,
and ambulances will be cut back soon, if not already. We are on the verge of extreme third world status, but still people think everything will be okay if a
new administration gets in office. Right.
Michael In Hell
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HarryShannon |
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Fareed Zakaria has a great essay in Newsweek this week, and says something like "a can-do country has been reduced to do-nothing status due to
partisanship." 85% or more got behind Bush after 9/11 but sadly he led us in the wrong direction. Yes, a new administration could change things. Are we
capable of uniting behind someone else again to fix his mistakes? Actually, I think we are, if we can just stop bickering and labeling each other and focus on
the shared sacrifice that has to take place to stop a war, reduce the deficit and repair our institutions and infrastructure. If we keep up this us/them
partisan bullshit much longer, it may indeed be too late. I have a little girl. I can't afford to take refuge in paranoia and cynicism.
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Wrath White |
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dlatham wrote: It's quite possible that you are right. But that's not what I have seen. What I see is a politician who was still, largely an idealist and still believed that he could run his campaign by speaking to the American people the way he always had, like peers. I think that people who were tired of the way politicians had always talked down to them in the past and lied to them found him to be a breath of fresh air and that's why so many people backed him and believed so passionately in him. When asked questions, he often gave very candid, unrehearsed replies that got him into trouble because it demonstrated a degree of honesty that America was just not ready for. Even during his campaign rallies he often talked like he was at a party speaking to a room full of friends. I think that's what his supporters have responded to. That's also what seems to have made him think that he really was in a room full of friends and why he sometimes got too comfortable and told the truth about complex issues instead of just telling Americans what they wanted to hear. I think he lived a charmed life as a Senator where he found that he could virtually do no wrong and could say exactly what he felt and that he honestly thought he could do the same thing while running for president. Have I seen him back off of this way of speaking more and more as his campaign has continued? Yes. Is he starting to sound more and more like every other politician? Yes. I can almost hear his campaign managers in his ear when he speaks now. And that is what I was lamenting in my piece because I think that will only get worse and I think we will be all the poorer for it. I also think that it is largely our fault. We have gotten exactly what we asked for.
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Harry, Fareed Zakaria's new book THE POST-AMERICAN WORLD is also a fascinating read. I have to agree with him that our two-party political system
isn't serving us well at all. I'm not sure I like his conclusion that democracy should be run by an elite uppercrust.
I'm pretty much resigned to Obama being the next president. All I can do is hope whatever damage he does to America can be undone for the sake of our children and grandchildren. He's determined to raise taxes even though history proves that tax increases hurt the economy and that tax cuts actually increase federal revenue. But the Dems can't say that while harping on "tax breaks for the rich" and stirring up class warfare. So you see why I don't believe uniting behind Obama will fix any mistakes. Obama is looking to compound them. But boy that guy talks pretty, don't he? Y'all scuze me now, I gots to go pray fer my guns. Times is tuff and a man gots to cling to somthin.
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HarryShannon |
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Well, Randy, you sound exactly like the right wing when Bill Clinton took office and set off the biggest boom in economic history...without a war. They
predicted doom and gloom, too. Before you freak out, it is my opinion that the COMBINATION created by those who chose to work together is what worked, whenever
it did work. Clinton learned fast and struggled to compromise on a number of issues he'd originally opposed. Some Republicans worked with him behind the
scenes, and visa versa. His much derided "triangulation" was a fancy word for compromise, and the country benefited. He managed to achieve a balanced
budget, even a surplus. There are a lot of things I don't admire about him, even more so after he left office, but we were moving the right direction. And
as soon as Bush took office, we hit a brick wall. The Republicans controlled everything, both houses of congress and the presidency and the court, and the
result has been a catastrophe. Hell, maybe it sounds like I'm undermining my own argument earlier, that maybe we do need partisanship. But as Fareed points
out, the compromises reached under Reagan, Bush one and even Clinton at times got the job done. As for class warfare, for Chrissakes the facts are irrefutable,
and the transfer of wealth is now criminal. What does it take to slap some sense into us? Without protection, we return to the days of the Robber Barons. In
fact, Bush and the oil barons should reminded anyone who reads history of Teapot Dome. Obama is no Marxist. He's brilliant, and a fresh face beholden to no
corporate entities. I think he's capable of earning the respect of the best men and women in both parties, and he knows how to compromise to win. The
Washington corruption stinks to high heaven, so I'll take my chances. If you're right, I owe you dinner and a six pack, and maybe I'll even drink
with you after 23 years of sobriety, okay? Either way, peace out. We're on the same team. Honest.
PS Oh, it is also my bet that President Obama will appoint two or three Republicans to his cabinet at minimum. Maybe Chuck Lugar, Olympia Snow, also Chuck Hagel and or even someone less moderate. He's a deal maker, a community organizer, and a team guy. Not at arrogant idealogue. Whatever his mistake may be, and there will be several I'm sure, they won't come from small-minded "my way or the highway" choices. Like I said, after the last 8 years, I'll take my chances.
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trenttaylor |
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"Well, Randy, you sound exactly like the right wing when Bill Clinton took office and set off the biggest boom in economic history...without a war."
Obviously you have no idea what he did to the Serbs. Few people do though, if that makes ya feel any better. |
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I hope you're right about Obama, Harry. I've seen no sign of his brilliance, unless you're talking about his charismatic use of language. I do
admire that, but words are cheap--as we writers know all too well.
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HarryShannon |
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Trent, after I posted that I realized how it sounded. I'm very aware of the SerboCroation mess, and how many different ways there are to view that. I had
no intention of trivializing it, either, despite how it sounded. But in the context of the thought I was expressing, those bombing actions--despite how one
feels about them--did not heavily impact the US economy either way.
Randy, I hope I'm right, too. Maybe yes, maybe no. But we have "known" each other a long time, and I've been pretty accurate about the psychology of a few different public figures along the way. Anyone can be deceived, but after a careful reading of his positions (almost identical to Hillary's, and yet she had vastly more appeal to conservatives for some reason), and allowing for the necessities of political life, Obama looks sharp and ready to rock and roll. Let's hope so. |
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rchandler |
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So now I learn that Jim Johnson ( the dude designated to oversee Obama's VP selection) has business ties to George Sorros. I'm trying to keep my
paranoia in check here. Will that rich America-hating asshole Sorros be the power behind President Obama? The Shadow Party? Shoot me now.
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dogpoet |
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I'm not sure I like his conclusion that democracy should be run by an elite uppercrust. But you have no problem with Haliburton running the GOP for the last eight years? |
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You mean the Trilateral Commission, right?
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HarryShannon |
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WASHINGTON - A leader of Democrat Barack Obama's vice presidential research team has resigned amid criticism over his personal loan deals.
Obama announced in a statement Wednesday that Jim Johnson was stepping aside to avoid distracting from the vetting process. Johnson served on the vetting team with former first daughter Caroline Kennedy and former Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder. |
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You mean the Trilateral Commission, right? I was thinking more of the invasion of Iraq serving no purpose besides raising oil prices worldwide, which was great for oil companies, but shit for the rest of the human race. I mean, if it wasn't incompetence and fuckwittery (which the right always insists the chimp is incapable of), what else could it have been? |
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rchandler |
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Where have I heard this trite tune before? Oh, right. But things have changed a bit. You might consider revising your lyrics. Or adding a little soft-shoe to
your song. Maybe work in a banana since you seem to have a thing for chimps. You do stirke me as the performance artist type.
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sighlon |
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Wrath White wrote: I do not remember a time in history where a candidate was caught lying so many times while running as Barack has been. Sure they all lie, but he has said
so many that I just don't see what others could see in him. He said he was concived because of the Selma march, even though it happened four years after
his birth. He has lied about his family, his faith, and his stance on many things all of which can be easily disproven.
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HarryShannon |
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"I do not remember a time in history where a candidate was caught lying so many times while running as Barack has been. "
Wow, are you four years old or something? What an amazing statement. |
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sighlon |
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HarryShannon wrote: You are more than welcome to cite examples of a candidate who, while running for president, has said half as many outright lies in speeches that can be
proven wrong immediately. Everything from how he was conceived to the Kennedy airlift story to his uncle (later corrected to be "great uncle")
liberating Auschwitz (later corrected to be a secret mission into Cambodia) are all blatant lies. They aren't debatable, as in someone saying they
believed a program was successful and other opinion could say otherwise, but actual undeniable lies.
Like I said you can give examples to correct me, or you can just continue to call me names, like say, a four year old would. |
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Well, sorry if that was clumsy and sounded superficial and offensivfe, but I asked if you were four meaning either it's that or you've already
forgotten the last Presidential election, with the Swift Boat lies, the tap dancing around the DUI arrest, the "voted for it before I voted against
it," the missing National Guard papers ad sickum. This crap pops up every election cycle on both sides of the aisle and never serves to do much but create
tit for tat about who's guy is a bigger liar or a worse public servent. That's why I've lost interest in engaging in it. I will say that you seem
to have confused some urban legends with legitimate news stories, for starters, as have many others. By way of example, Obama had the relative right but the
wrong death camp. The campaign has posted a website just to deal with the distortions that are streaming out on a daily basis. I don't think the guy is
perfect, sent from the Gods, and he can tap dance with the best of them. But it is patently ridiculous to assert that he's the first to have been
'caught lying so many times.' Hell, McCain already has him beat.
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dogpoet |
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Let's just hope McCain's lying about wanting to overturn Roe vs Wade...
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