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Mike Philbin	Mercedes Lackey HATES Bukkakeworld	Lead	[-]
Posts: 2799 (07/29/09 00:12:20) Shocklineraholic Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I had no idea who Mercedes Lackey is - I don't read that much Fantasy - but she doesn't like the first ten pages of my Silverthought Press (New York) novel "Bukkakeworld". Yes, Fantasy. Mercedes Lackey is a MASSIVE AUTHOR of fantasy novels. She writes them by the bucketload and is very successful. So, what's she doing dipping her delicate nose into the Hertzan Chimera-horror corporate-lackey-ville of Bukkakeworld. Surely, she'd find it a little offensive, a little IN YOUR FACE. Well, as her Amazon review of my 'self-published' novel Bukkakeworld goes (yes, she went to all that trouble to review the first ten tripey pages of it, quite an honour) it was a load of predictable tripe. To which I'd love to see how SHE thought this novel would pan out over the next two hundred pages and then compare it with what actually happened in the book and see if there was ANY CORRELATION. This world makes me laugh out loud, with JOY! It really does.
kpaffenroth		#1	[-]
Posts: 1348 (07/29/09 07:41:00) Master Shockliner Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I keep a "wall of shame" on the right sidebar of my blog, that lists the worst reviews of my books. And only the "best" of the worst can make it - they have to have some interesting turn of phrase or something else to distinguish them from the common herd of lambasting vitriol. It's kind of fun to look back on them later, and blog visitors often comment on how much they enjoy them. EDIT: And I should've said - I list the "best of the worst" w/o comment; they're just there to enjoy. Kim Paffenroth, Stoker Award Winner for Gospel of the Living Dead, and author of the new zombie novel Dying to Live. Visit him at his blog Last Edited By: kpaffenroth 07/29/09 07:56:07. Edited 1 times.
Cairnwood		#2	[-]
Posts: 1912 (07/29/09 07:51:32) Veteran Shockliner Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I quite enjoyed her Diana Tregarde trilogy... Come see what all the fuss is about at Bob Freeman's Occult Detective
Shadowtron		#3	[-]
Posts: 775 (07/29/09 07:56:09) Master Shockliner Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	To play devil's advocate a bit, Mike, it is possible she threw the book at page ten then picked it up and trudged bravely through the rest of it.
Bookhoard		#4	[-]
Posts: 1367 (07/29/09 08:04:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If she only read the first 10 pages then how can she say that there's "nothing new in it"? Sounds like she borrowed the book with the intention of hating it.
cussedness		#5	[-]
Posts: 456 (07/29/09 09:51:04) Veteran Shockliner Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Mercedes Lackey is a very very big name in fantasy. She makes the NYT bestseller list frequently. I am a long time fan of hers. So she thought the book was so dreadful that she could not get past the first ten pages and expressed her disgust with it. So I shall risk being banned and say I found it so nasty that I could not get through to the end. Those first pages should pull the reader in, not chase him off. I don't care to read about cum soaked subways, people with cum spilling over them so that the only safe thing to wear is a latex suit, and alarm clocks ejaculate in your face. Janrae Frank my messageboard
Bookhoard		#6	[-]
Posts: 1371 (07/29/09 10:09:25) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Isn't an alarm clock ejaculating in your face something new, though?
cussedness		#7	[-]
Posts: 457 (07/29/09 10:15:35) Veteran Shockliner Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It new only if you like swallowing cum. Janrae Frank my messageboard
Bookhoard		#8	[-]
Posts: 1372 (07/29/09 10:18:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It new only if you like swallowing cum. I don't see the logic...
JerrodBalzer		#9	[-]
Posts: 3621 (07/29/09 10:32:15) Keeper of Tootsie Pops Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If it's really horrible, why should someone HAVE to read it straight through before offering an opinion? It's the writer's job to keep 'em reading. The reader is not obligated to sludge through it. http://shocklinesforum.yuku.com/topic/11954 http://jerrodbalzer.wordpress.com/
cussedness		#10	[-]
Posts: 458 (07/29/09 10:37:52) Veteran Shockliner Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Teenagers come up with ideas like that all the time. Its part of the gross out factor and imagination I have seen in teenage boys. The extended metaphor of the book is incapsulated in ejaculation. One small object does not make a book highly original. One of the things that writers tend to forget is that the book must communicate with the reader. If the writer fails to communicate the book gets thrown at the wall. If the purpose of the metaphor and the content and the storyline is designed (especially in the first ten pages) to offend the reader, the book does not get read. You can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Janrae Frank my messageboard
LeatherZebra		#11	[-]
Posts: 798 (07/29/09 12:04:24) Veteran Shockliner Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	What is with the assumption that a reader or a reviewer has to finish a book? Isn't it more honest to admit they couldn't even get through it? And I can tell you something from personal experience, you want reviewers to put down your book and move on if they don't like it, because I tend to get more and more outraged, thus more and more negative, when I feel obligated to finish a book that I just completely dislike. There are a few books on BookLove that I made myself read because I got them from the authors or publishers and felt I owed them a full reader, and I totally regret it. In fact these books have become the "worst of" examples that have gained a life outside of reviewing and in normal conversations too. There's also a difference between this is good, but just not that interesting to me, which I do finish, and OMG there are 4 different tenses in the first 6 paragraphs of this chapter and a tirade about how women are unintelligent things that are merely here to sex up and cook for men tirade on the next page. www.michelelee.net www.michelelee.net/booklove Coming Soon: ROT from Skullvines Press
Bookhoard		#12	[-]
Posts: 1373 (07/29/09 12:15:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	But it doesn't make much sense to claim that there is nothing new in the entire book if you've only read ten pages of the book, especially if there actually is something new in the first ten pages.
Morikawa		#13	[-]
Posts: 35 (07/29/09 12:25:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It's only new, Bookhoard, if you've never read any erotica or porn during the past few decades, or more. The natives are getting restless.
cussedness		#14	[-]
Posts: 459 (07/29/09 12:40:16) Veteran Shockliner Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	During my years as a pornography editor and author, I saw a lot of the same type of thing done far better than Philbin did that book. There is a type of originality which is put down by the general readership. It is a plethora of gimmicks and tricks instead of good solid writing. And I have read the entire book. Disgusting as it is. The adolescent jerk off aspect of it does nothing to make it a good book. It ought to be considered pornography, not good fiction. What makes a book good is solid flow, characterization, storyline, and good sentence structure. None of those are present in Philbin's novel. Gimmicks that the average adolescent boy could come up with is not what makes a good book. An ejaculating clock does not make it worth reading. Furthermore, to claim that pornography is literature is never going to make it in the opinion of the readers and it is the readers who pay for books and support the author. I suspect that a lot of males suffering from Peter Pan syndrome would enjoy the book, but it would not cut it in the mainstream audience. You can't make a reader like a book just because you think your gimmicks are clever. Gimmicks alone do not make a book. Janrae Frank my messageboard
Bookhoard		#15	[-]
Posts: 1374 (07/29/09 12:43:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"Solid flow," uh huh huh huh.
cussedness		#16	[-]
Posts: 460 (07/29/09 13:01:04) Veteran Shockliner Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I am so very glad that you agree with me, Paul. Janrae Frank my messageboard
HalBodner		#17	[-]
Posts: 630 (07/29/09 14:08:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Oh wow. There's so much here I wanna comment on... 1) Mercedes Lackey is actually a pretty damned good writer. I agree with whoever liked her Diana Tregarde trilogy. It was fresh and well written though, now, it's a tiny bit dated. 2) Yeah. So long as a reviewer admits they didn't read the book, I'm okay with that. BUT, I think they have an obligation to qualify WHY they couldn't finish. And, rather than having them say "there's nothing new" after reading only ten pages, I think the BETTER critique is something like "I read the first 10 pages and felt like I had read this same type of thing many times before." I think it's more accurate, probably describes what they meant to say a little better, and provides the author with some valid feedback. 3) Who says pornography can't be literature? Okay.. challenge time. Read "In Flesh and Stone", the first book I wrote for Ravenous. It's a stroke book, with "hot" sex every dozen of so pages per the formula. It is also an actual novel with literary merit that deals with grief and loss and, in spite of the fact that I'm sure many readers of this book may be wearing nothing but a very long raincoat and a slouch hat, the thing has a pretty strong emotional impact. As one critic said (and I'm paraphrasing from memory), "I was so engrossed in the characters that I cried, and I found the sex scenes distracting, so I skipped them. After I was finished the book, I went back and read just the sex scenes with a bottle of baby oil and a cucumber." You just gotta love a review like that!
cussedness		#18	[-]
Posts: 461 (07/29/09 14:12:47) Veteran Shockliner Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Awesome review. Janrae Frank my messageboard
LeatherZebra		#19	[-]
Posts: 799 (07/29/09 22:34:07) Veteran Shockliner Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	But it doesn't make much sense to claim that there is nothing new in the entire book if you've only read ten pages of the book, especially if there actually is something new in the first ten pages. You're right, it doesn't. There are plenty of other ways to negatively review something. www.michelelee.net www.michelelee.net/booklove Coming Soon: ROT from Skullvines Press
rileybooks		#20	[-]
Posts: 1422 (07/30/09 01:54:58) Master Shockliner Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If I reviewed a book, whether I hated it or not, I would feel obligated to grit my teeth and read it to the very end. If I couldn't, I really would not feel qualified to write a review. After all, it might actually pick up after the point I abandoned it, which would not make it fair on the writer. David

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