"Death is a thoroughly Dadaist business, in that it signifies nothing at all." - Richard Huelsenbeck
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Weirdmonger |
Is Dada the most important art movement ever? |
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Dada - if you read the manifestos from the early 20th century - seems to be the the most comfortable home for the Horror Arts. In that death and its causes or
repercussions can be embroidered at will with no fear of comeback. But a fear that is real inasmuch as literature or art is real. The only way. Otherwise,
it is Nothing. Zero.
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Glen R Krisch |
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I'd say the most important art movement started in France in the Chauvet Caverns.
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rileybooks |
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I really think you sometimes worry about things like this too much.
Pictorial art is one thing - horror stories are something else altogether. I don't see any correlation between the two. David |
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rileybooks wrote: Yes, I do, David. Aesthetonoia, it's called. A nagging persecution to find a complex home for Horror. Silly Idea - The Baser Pulps - Nemonymous - The Weirdmonger Wheel - Weirdmonger (Prime Book)
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rileybooks |
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Now I do believe you're making words up, you rascal!
I just googled that without result. David |
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Weirdmonger |
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Well, 'Nemonymous' wasn't on Google until 2001 when I invented it. :-)
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rileybooks |
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Wordmonger!
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Mike Philbin |
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Des,
whenever anyone mentions the Dada art movement, I get this theme tune in my head, "Da Da Da ... ich lieb dich nicht du liebst mich nicht ... Da Da Da" from German 1980's band TRIO both are funny in their own right.
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Weirdmonger |
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Mike Philbin |
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ce n'est pas un pissoir
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Weirdmonger |
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It would have been better if it had been smeared with an archipelago of hardened egg-yolk.
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Hank Schwaeble |
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Isn't that The Fountain, by Marcel Duchamp?
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Hank Schwaeble wrote: Yes: HERE Probably the most influential item of art in the history of 20th Century art. des Silly Idea - The Baser Pulps - Nemonymous - The Weirdmonger Wheel - Weirdmonger (Prime Book)
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Hank Schwaeble |
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Clearly, that link establishes such.
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Shocklines |
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In terms of artwork and horror, I always think of Hieronymus Bosch as a milestone.
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dogpoet |
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It's a solid argument, and Bosch's artwork is very much old fashioned representational stuff.
(I'd suggest the Voticists as another possible C20 wellspring, though: it's more literary and less visual, and I'd suspect a few horror writers have read Wyndham Lewis' novels, particularly the 2/3s of a trilogy set in Hell.) |
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Weirdmonger |
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Bosch is a great painter of Religious Horror.
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Rich Ristow |
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Personally, I think Docotor Faustus, Macbeth, Hamlet, Oedipus Rex, and other Elizabethan and Greek tragedies are great works of horror. If you want to find a
theoretical home for horror, I'd suggest starting with Aristotle's "Poetics" and Neitzsche's "The Birth of the Tragic."
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dogpoet |
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Beowilf, the Summerian creation myths, Gilgamesh and the nastier bits of the old testament and Talmud spring to mind as well, Rich.
(I'd question that Dada's more important than Bosch as it's the source for non religious horror given that there's a lot more religious than non religious horror, even despite Lovecraft's huge influence.) |
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Weirdmonger |
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It's just that, objectively, without recourse to possible 'intentions', the Horror Art concerned with Death, Pointlessness, Nihilism, Puppets,
Dolls, Corpses, Clowns (in up front representation rather than subtler surrealification) is more akin to Dada than any other art movement. Imho.
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Lawrence Dagstine |
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Dada was "one" of the most important art movements ever... But not THE one. Spain would be the richest country in Dada, I believe. Of course, for
their period/era, so was pop of the 50's and 60's, abstract/cubism years before that, and the Expressionist Movement (Van Gogh, Monet, et la) way WAY
before that. There's a lot of contemporary and postmodern work which saw a few healthy years of success, and then didn't. And let's not forget the
graffiti art movement on the streets during the 70's and 80's, which eventually grew up from the sides of trains to airbrush and canvas.
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