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Mike Philbin	OT: but still horror - "FABLED ENEMIES" out NOW.	Lead	[-]
Posts: 2307 (09/01/08 23:06:04) Shocklineraholic More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	One of my favourite documentaries of all time is Jason Bermas's LOOSE CHANGE, which showed a valid (and horrific) alternative to why two commercial jet liners brought down three WTC buildings on 9/11. When all the journalistic world seemed to have lost their balls over this well-managed event, Loose Change really was a ground-breaking statement on the reality of counter-intelligence and dirty-politics blighting our modern world. Watch it on Youtube -> FABLED ENEMIES (part one of fifteen) reprises the role of its young upstart and devles deeper into the WHY WOULD THE AMERICA GOVERNMENT PLOT TO KILL 3,000 OF ITS OWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS? question. Would money (and a unified global police state) really legitimise the deaths of thousands of US servicemen in the middle east and millions of Iraqi civilians since 9/11? That without the thought of a global nuclear holocaust with USSR. Get learnin' sheeple. July 15 2008, Silverthought Press publish Bukkakeworld and Planet of the Owls in trade paperback.
Savage Steve King		#1	[-]
Posts: 234 (09/01/08 23:07:20) Shockliner More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	This video has been debunked multiple times, including on the History Channel. -- "Savage" Steve King ><))))'> "Savage" Steve.com <'((((><
Mike Philbin		#2	[-]
Posts: 2308 (09/02/08 00:02:32) Shocklineraholic More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Savage, and Georgia DIDN'T attack South Ossetia first either. July 15 2008, Silverthought Press publish Bukkakeworld and Planet of the Owls in trade paperback.
Lawrence Dagstine		#3	[-]
Posts: 1048 (09/02/08 14:58:19) Veteran Shockliner More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	No matter how many times they debunk this Loose Change thing, there was just too much authenticity when you factor in the way those planes were angled. Then there was the WTC fire code and building codes in general. Those two buildings came down straight. Like somebody set explosives to the foundations. Also, the New World Order aligning to create something on "epic a scale" or worse as Pearl Harbor. I still say CIA, since day one. It didn't work though as planned perhaps, hence Iraq and the flaws of the Bush Administration as a prime example to sustain it. I'm sure there's more I'm missing here, or the public hasn't been made aware of it yet or something leading back to it has yet to be introduced in years to come. Lawrence Dagstine Homepage: www.lawrencedagstine.com Lawrence Dagstine MySpace: www.myspace.com/lawrencedagstine
Qusoor		#4	[-]
Posts: 937 (09/02/08 15:14:51) Veteran Shockliner More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Remind me again, Lawrence, your experience with controlled demolition is... John Goodrich, My blog: Flawed Diamonds "There's an old Indian proverb that says if you are ever lost, you should sit down and begin to make a curry. Before the water boils for the rice, someone will come out of the forest and tell you you're making it wrong." --Bruce Lierman, "Dutch Mess"
HankTheHorrible		#5	[-]
Posts: 345 (09/02/08 15:37:25) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	This has got to be the stupidest theory imaginable. Bush can't stop a former press secretary from writing a tell-all book, can't figure out how to plant a few WMDS in Iraq and avoid the whole Bush-lied-kids-died! rap, but he can orchestrate a colossal conspiracy involving the hijacking of four commercial jetliners (timed perfectly in a coordinated demolition of the largest commercial skyscrapers in the country), ruthlessly murder thousands of American civilians (including the wife of his Solicitor General who was a trusted member of his campaign), somehow get people to voluntarily pretend to be terrorists and kill themselves while hijacking another airliner that crashed in Pennsylvania (or otherwise fake dozens of cell phone calls from that flight to loved ones shortly before it crashed), crash a jet within yards of his secretary of defense at the Pentagon and kill scores of servicemen, and manage to get bin Laden on videotape to claim credit for it. All this without one of the hundreds of people that would have to be part of such a conspiracy ever coming forward about it or letting word of it leak out. Some people are too loony for words.
Savage Steve King		#6	[-]
Posts: 235 (09/02/08 15:44:20) Shockliner More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	HankTheHorrible wrote: This has got to be the stupidest theory imaginable. Bush can't stop a former press secretary from writing a tell-all book, can't figure out how to plant a few WMDS in Iraq and avoid the whole Bush-lied-kids-died! rap, but he can orchestrate a colossal conspiracy involving the hijacking of four commercial jetliners (timed perfectly in a coordinated demolition of the largest commercial skyscrapers in the country), ruthlessly murder thousands of American civilians (including the wife of his Solicitor General who was a trusted member of his campaign), somehow get people to voluntarily pretend to be terrorists and kill themselves while hijacking another airliner that crashed in Pennsylvania (or otherwise fake dozens of cell phone calls from that flight to loved ones shortly before it crashed), crash a jet within yards of his secretary of defense at the Pentagon and kill scores of servicemen, and manage to get bin Laden on videotape to claim credit for it. All this without one of the hundreds of people that would have to be part of such a conspiracy ever coming forward about it or letting word of it leak out. Some people are too loony for words. I would go one further and say that some people are just too lazy to watch the History channel. They have had multiple features documenting both how the entire 9/11 attacks happend as well as in-depth features -- including interviews with surviving building engineers -- explaining exactly what happened after the buildings were hit that caused them to collapse. If you are too lazy to research a topic properly, then you can expect to be taken in (and made a fool of in the process) by the first half assed cut-and-paste YouTube video you come across. -- "Savage" Steve King ><))))'> "Savage" Steve.com <'((((><
JerrodBalzer		#7	[-]
Posts: 2324 (09/02/08 15:54:31) Keeper of Tootsie Pops More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The voices in my head say aliens did it An equally informative site, imo. Last Edited By: JerrodBalzer 09/02/08 15:59:54. Edited 1 times.
AdamB		#8	[-]
Posts: 159 (09/02/08 16:42:15) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Jesus. This shit has been proven wrong so many times that it's not even funny anymore. If you hail Loose Change as one of your favourite documentaries at this point, you pretty much fail at life. Or, at least, the game of 'What're your favourite documentaries?' The simple facts that Dylan Avery, Korey Rowe and Jason Bermas haven't mysteriously died yet, and that this film even became widespread in the first place, kind of shoot their premise in their foot, do they not?
kpaffenroth		#9	[-]
Posts: 883 (09/02/08 16:47:22) Master Shockliner More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	HankTheHorrible wrote: This has got to be the stupidest theory imaginable. Bush can't stop a former press secretary from writing a tell-all book, can't figure out how to plant a few WMDS in Iraq and avoid the whole Bush-lied-kids-died! rap, but he can orchestrate a colossal conspiracy involving the hijacking of four commercial jetliners (timed perfectly in a coordinated demolition of the largest commercial skyscrapers in the country), ruthlessly murder thousands of American civilians (including the wife of his Solicitor General who was a trusted member of his campaign), somehow get people to voluntarily pretend to be terrorists and kill themselves while hijacking another airliner that crashed in Pennsylvania (or otherwise fake dozens of cell phone calls from that flight to loved ones shortly before it crashed), crash a jet within yards of his secretary of defense at the Pentagon and kill scores of servicemen, and manage to get bin Laden on videotape to claim credit for it. All this without one of the hundreds of people that would have to be part of such a conspiracy ever coming forward about it or letting word of it leak out. Some people are too loony for words. The "bin Laden" claiming credit was an actor, you dupe! And once everyone involved was done, they were killed! Then the people who killed them were killed! (All right, we haven't worked out the infinite regress part yet, I admit.) Ok, ahem, come closer. I'll only say this once. - [sotto voce] - Hank's right. But then, I think the people who started this thread knew that already. Loony? or hungry for attention? oh, what the heck, the two aren't mutually exclusive! Kim Paffenroth, Stoker Award Winner for Gospel of the Living Dead, and author of the new zombie novel Dying to Live. Visit him at his blog
HankTheHorrible		#10	[-]
Posts: 346 (09/02/08 17:00:25) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm proud of you, Kim. The first time is the hardest. It gets much easier each time after that.
kpaffenroth		#11	[-]
Posts: 885 (09/02/08 17:04:57) Master Shockliner More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Savor the moment, Hank, savor the moment. It's an election year, I'm sure there will be more than enough opportunities to scrap uselessly. But loonyness is a good enough reason not to scrap, I think. Kim Paffenroth, Stoker Award Winner for Gospel of the Living Dead, and author of the new zombie novel Dying to Live. Visit him at his blog
Holden Pike		#12	[-]
Posts: 117 (09/02/08 17:07:56) Shockliner More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	EPIC FAIL! ______________ Up From the Underground: Better than National Geographic and more fun than Shooting Smack
felinedependant		#13	[-]
Posts: 1712 (09/02/08 17:14:39) Shocklineraholic More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Wow. Okay, it's all loony? Or better yet, "some people are just too lazy to watch the History channel"? I just don't get the insults here. I've never fully believed in a conspiracy theory, mainly because I believe Bush is too stupid to have pulled it off. But there is still a lot of questionable science, and unanswered questions. There are some people, many here in NYC who strongly believe it was an inside job. And these people have posed questions that remain unanswered. And in previous months in similar threads I have posted links to websites that are filled with scientists, professors, firefighters and dozens of other "non-fringey" types posing questions they just want answers to. I'm not saying there was an inside job. I'm just saying there is too much evidence to not at least consider it. And to not insult people who raise questions. I personally haven't made up my mind 100% on this issue, and to use the History Channel as a be-all, end-all source is equally ludicrous. Their "research" on other subjects is often dubious at best. And John, someone doesn't have to be a demolition expert to pose that question or hold that opinion. It's being asked all over the internet. Monica EXPERIMENTS IN HUMAN NATURE "O'Rourke writes with rare confidence and style. Though undoubtedly disturbing, and sometimes brutal, still her work has something quite rare and special -- heart." -- Tim Lebbon, author of Dusk. "What Monica O'Rourke brings to horror and dark (often erotic) fantasy is something the genre really, really needs--a voice that's not just unique but which is also incredibly and beautifully readable. Only a handful of writers, in and out of the genre, can realistically claim to be her peers. The delicious and lustfully served red meat of her stories could turn even the most determined vegetarian (like me) into a carnivore." -- T.M. Wright, author of Bone Soup
AdamB		#14	[-]
Posts: 160 (09/02/08 17:31:43) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	felinedependant wrote: Wow. Okay, it's all loony? Or better yet, "some people are just too lazy to watch the History channel"? I just don't get the insults here. I've never fully believed in a conspiracy theory, mainly because I believe Bush is too stupid to have pulled it off. But there is still a lot of questionable science, and unanswered questions. There are some people, many here in NYC who strongly believe it was an inside job. And these people have posed questions that remain unanswered. And in previous months in similar threads I have posted links to websites that are filled with scientists, professors, firefighters and dozens of other "non-fringey" types posing questions they just want answers to. I'm not saying there was an inside job. I'm just saying there is too much evidence to not at least consider it. And to not insult people who raise questions. I personally haven't made up my mind 100% on this issue, and to use the History Channel as a be-all, end-all source is equally ludicrous. Their "research" on other subjects is often dubious at best. And John, someone doesn't have to be a demolition expert to pose that question or hold that opinion. It's being asked all over the internet. Monica What's certainly loony, or at least extremely silly, is when people bring up the same 'points' that have been explained again and again in the past, such as claims made in Loose Change and elsewhere. Like, you know, the whole, 'Steel melts at X, and jet fuel only burns at Y!' thing. I'm not aware of any questionable science, unanswered questions or any compelling evidence that suggests it was orchestrated by the US government. If you can supply examples of any of those, please do.
Rich Ristow		#15	[-]
Posts: 698 (09/02/08 19:26:52) Veteran Shockliner More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Mike Philbin wrote: Savage, and Georgia DIDN'T attack South Ossetia first either. That depends on whose point of view you're considering. The problems between South Ossetia and Georgia are complicated, and certainly a lot older than the current conflict. Certainly Many Ossetians regard Georgia as the occupying power standing in the way of their self determination and preservation of culture. And I'm not taking sides either. When it comes to issues of self determination, you can't boil these issues down to simplistic terms. But then again, I do wonder, what in the blue fuck does this have to do with 9/11? Now Available! And you can read the Prologue here. Last Edited By: Rich Ristow 09/02/08 20:40:59. Edited 1 times.
VeryUnseemly		#16	[-]
Posts: 357 (09/02/08 20:45:52) Shockliner More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	HankTheHorrible wrote: This has got to be the stupidest theory imaginable. Bush can't stop a former press secretary from writing a tell-all book, can't figure out how to plant a few WMDS in Iraq and avoid the whole Bush-lied-kids-died! rap, but he can orchestrate a colossal conspiracy involving the hijacking of four commercial jetliners (timed perfectly in a coordinated demolition of the largest commercial skyscrapers in the country), ruthlessly murder thousands of American civilians (including the wife of his Solicitor General who was a trusted member of his campaign), somehow get people to voluntarily pretend to be terrorists and kill themselves while hijacking another airliner that crashed in Pennsylvania (or otherwise fake dozens of cell phone calls from that flight to loved ones shortly before it crashed), crash a jet within yards of his secretary of defense at the Pentagon and kill scores of servicemen, and manage to get bin Laden on videotape to claim credit for it. All this without one of the hundreds of people that would have to be part of such a conspiracy ever coming forward about it or letting word of it leak out. Some people are too loony for words. Thank you thank you THANK YOU. This is what I never understand about these conspiracy theories. They assume a super-human ability to control all factors that relate to the "leader's" goals, both on the ground and among his followers. It's just not possible. There's not a person alive that could pull this sort of thing off, let alone a semi-competent like Bush.
VeryUnseemly		#17	[-]
Posts: 358 (09/02/08 20:58:01) Shockliner More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	felinedependant wrote: Wow. Okay, it's all loony? Or better yet, "some people are just too lazy to watch the History channel"? I just don't get the insults here. I've never fully believed in a conspiracy theory, mainly because I believe Bush is too stupid to have pulled it off. But there is still a lot of questionable science, and unanswered questions. There are some people, many here in NYC who strongly believe it was an inside job. And these people have posed questions that remain unanswered. And in previous months in similar threads I have posted links to websites that are filled with scientists, professors, firefighters and dozens of other "non-fringey" types posing questions they just want answers to. I'm not saying there was an inside job. I'm just saying there is too much evidence to not at least consider it. And to not insult people who raise questions. I personally haven't made up my mind 100% on this issue, and to use the History Channel as a be-all, end-all source is equally ludicrous. Their "research" on other subjects is often dubious at best. And John, someone doesn't have to be a demolition expert to pose that question or hold that opinion. It's being asked all over the internet. Monica If Mr. Philbin would actually debate the the points you bring up he'd probably get a better reaction. It seems like whenever anyone tries to raise a point with him he just brings up some other scam (that powerful governments or entities may or may not have pulled off in the past) that is completely unrelated to the thread. He posts a documentary loaded with 'facts' that were long ago debunked, with little or no commentary of his own, and then refuses to dialog honestly on the subject. He's getting the reaction he'd getting now because he's made these threads at least three or four times now, and they always go the same way. He's not looking for feedback or for debate. He just wants to feel more clever than all the common 'sheeple.' Last Edited By: VeryUnseemly 09/02/08 22:17:57. Edited 1 times.
VeryUnseemly		#18	[-]
Posts: 359 (09/02/08 21:29:10) Shockliner More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	With all the bad stuff that's happening in the world today, it's amazing to me that some people need to invent things to be outraged about.
sighlon		#19	[-]
Posts: 117 (09/02/08 22:15:18) Apprentice Shockliner More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	felinedependant wrote: Wow. Okay, it's all loony? Or better yet, "some people are just too lazy to watch the History channel"? I just don't get the insults here. I've never fully believed in a conspiracy theory, mainly because I believe Bush is too stupid to have pulled it off. But there is still a lot of questionable science, and unanswered questions. Popular Mechanics decided a few years ago to do a thourough, unbiased, all out investigation into all of the conspiracy claims. That was in their magazine. The History Channel did a feature on PM's investigation and it was shown to disprove all of the theories using science, logic, common sense, etc. They interviewed the teen creators of Loose Change, who, when presented with Popular Mechanic's investigations, agreed with them. Supposedly they went back and removed a lot of their theories in one of their updates because of it but to be honest I don't look so I don't know if they did. Anyway Monica, the truth really is out there, and when people try to remind certain posters of that, they respond not with a counter argument to back up their stance on 9/11, but with some off-topic bit about Georgia and South Ossetia. Last week one of the two original posters on this thread made comment about Nazis in another thread. VeryUnseemly took the time to respond with an insightful and highly intelligent response, and for her effort the poster and his cohort just made short and pointless posts that not only didn't answer her question, they had nothing to do with the subject at hand. They either didn't have the ability to give an intelligent response or never planned to in the first place. So if people here don't put a lot of effort into countering the initial post here in this thread, with the thread's creator, it is probably because they know that they won't get a serious discussion out of it, so they put little into it.
Mike Philbin		#20	[-]
Posts: 2310 (09/02/08 22:26:13) Shocklineraholic More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	See, guys (and gals), you're your own proof that you CAN'T debate. The art of debate goes along the lines of someone proposing something, someone disagreeing/agreeing with it and the debate continues. * There's a very strong (and growing) case for 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB - though from the inference made in Fabled Enemies (to me at least) there's more an issue with infestation of the American security forces from foreign concerns. Maybe Bush wasn't in on it. But somebody in the larger scheme was. On the issue of research and imparitality, good I encourage it. But don't just resort to one source, the world is INDEED becoming a smaller place with the coroporations and banks having fingers in many pies you understand to be independent, like the Free Press. You live in a big corporate world, girls and boys. Your governments only need you for the money you generate. You die, so what? Everyone has a price. Everyone can be bought. Or subjugated. And, yes, see how easy the Jews found it - just a little bit of relocation, just a little bit of a shower after a long journey east... Mike * "Ley" - from your P.M. to me about your concerns of professionalism on this forum, I'm surprised you were such an unprofessional in your responses here. Now you may understand why I was cautious to get involved in a debate with you in the first place. July 15 2008, Silverthought Press publish Bukkakeworld and Planet of the Owls in trade paperback.

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